What are you doing about Advanced Materials?

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    WB Gamer
    And don't move this to bugs and feedback. It is not feedback it is a general question. Thank you!
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    WB Gamer
    welcome to our sucky world...... can't even get keystone caravans in our kingdoms!
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    WB Gamer
    But, if I may be allowed to paraphrase recent posts from mods themselves, 'Its a delicate balance!' Or how about 'but keystones are now readily available from gathering, and the storehouse!'

    The only way to progress in this game is to buy packs with keystones in them. If the devs were going to change that, they would have by now, as it is the primary cause of all the dead servers.

    It is apparently more important to the devs that you pay exclusively for progress than it is to retain players who maybe aren't willing to do that.
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    These are absolutely a problem. Keystones are the only thing keeping me from keep 27. if I bought the only pack with keystones that is available to buy I would have to buy 18 of them just to get to the 3535 that I need for my keep. I just received a notification saying I had a "huge shipment" at the storehouse. I got 9 keystones. While appreciated this isn't putting a dent into it. I do all the boring daily quests so I can get 1 each day. When I farm for rss I may get 1 every 20th farm. I've said it before and I will say it again, do keystones caravans or something because the number I need are insulting and I will not spend on all those packs for so.ething that could easily be corrected. Almost makes it once you hit keep 26 stop because you will need tens of thousands of keystones to get to build T10 soldiers so what's the point. This game could be so good but developers refuse to listen to players and view feedback as an insult when it's not meant as that at all.

    The problem is the same if not worse with red flakes also.
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    WB Gamer
    The caravans are not helpful at all either if soldier pine is any indication. I've been saying forever that the beta drops should be given to all because the alternatives are embarrassingly pay to play even for this game.
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    One question I have when I see this is why do you expect to get to, say, level 27? To me it's pretty clear that the game is designed to not let you advance without spending money. A lot.of money. And there are, I assume, comparatively few people who are going to do that. For example in K13 there are something like 1,900 active players and about 20 of them have T9s. I am not one of them. Nor am I likely to be one of them. I don't expect there to be a path to getting there without spending more money than I want to on top of what I have spent. I think if people are looking at it any other way they're going to get angry and disappointed.
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    WB Gamer
    Why wouldn't we be angry? We have spent months under a system where there was a pathway to advancement that involved more than buying 10 big packs to upgrade a few buildings. You could grind for it long term or do it quickly with money. Now it will only be money which is ridiculous. Its not like it was easy. Most big players have killed upwards of 30k creatures. WB is making money off stamina for sure and arguably more than they will if all the players who are unwilling to be trapped behind a paywall put their wallets away. If I can never advance again without spending big bucks why would i keep playing? If every player like me quit there would be no game and the biggest spenders would move on to a game where there is activity. Just because WB ripped off the nonbetas doesn't mean that they should continue to.
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    WB Gamer
    'Why do we expect to advance?'

    Why would anyone play a game where the only way to have anything to do is press the 'purchase' button?

    Games like this need mechanisms for allowing players to grind and feel like they are advancing. This game has none. This is why every server is so dead.

    Of course we are 'angry and disappointed'. There's nothing to do.
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    They will steal them from you when you get them. I had millions of advanced resources stolen. I submit ticket and they said sorry we see no abnormalities. Even when I provide SS of the load. That’s the problem it’s not normal. Almost had enough to get to level 26 but thanks to them I’m starting over.
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    WB Gamer
    Yes inequality will exist which is the point. What isnt okay is having required materials only be able to be gained by paying.
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    Is it better for them to only be available to people who spend lots of time? Or are in an allegiance with a lot of players? At the end of the day there is always gatekeeping. I don't like paying, which is why I don't have T9s, but how is this way worse than the other ways games do this?
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    Yes it is significantly better for it to only be able to those who put in time! This is way worse because its not like advanced materials are optional things that provide bonuses, they are required for everything past level 15! So there is no point in playing for more than a month if you won't pay which is why they are having to merge kingdoms. People will pay to speed up progress but not if its the only way (there are exceptions based on 3ER).
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    I see your point kawaru but you can't compare time and money.

    If it only takes time, it still feels accessible.... doesnt matter if that time frame is 2-3 years...a player feels like if they work hard, they'll get there.

    If it only takes money, and you're not willing to drop thousands of dollars on a silly phone game, there's no incentive to continue for most of the player base.

    You don't have to take my word for it. All you have to do is look at the activity level on your server. The game takes all money and no time right now... and so we're all left with sunken costs, no progress, and empty maps.
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    WB Gamer
    Aaaaand it was moved to bugs and feedback which i specifically asked it not to be. No response from the mods either. is there anything you can tell me or should i just quit now?
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    WB Gamer
    As I said, , I've played games where to reach the higher levels could take years. I'm sure there faster ways than what I did, but it was still time. These were primarily sold as subscriptions, so their model fit well with that. I remember camping for rare drops until I felt like my eyes would never see straight. That's it's own special brand of hell. And if you didn't have that time, either collectively or at one stretch for raids, etc. then you would be a second-class player. In doing so they privileged time over almost everything else.

    This game has chosen a different direction. And for folks who have more.time than money it's a worse direction for them. For people with more money than time it works in their favor. Personally I would prefer more time-based, but that's because I have limited appetite to spend at that level.

    Another thing to consider is how merges are playing out. Since the flow of players is mostly out sooner or later they will have to merge additional kingdoms beyond what's on the list now. If progression was more time based it would mean that older kingdoms will tend to have more power than newer ones. Which would make those merges harder to be done reasonably.

    As I said, I would prefer they balanced it a little more, and they have in a very slow and nominal manner. But I can see why they may not go as far as you or I would like.
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    My point has been that they had a reasonable system in place for the beta kingdoms and that should be made universal. To get to high keep levels still costs thousands but there is also a much slower avenue available to medium and small spenders because stamina is very expensive. There is also still the option to pay outright for the materials if you don't have time to farm but have money. Its a fsir system that accomodated all play styles unlike this new one which accommodates the play styles of very limited numbers of players. This should have been done months ago, but now they have undone all the progress they have made at balancing the game by refusing to implement a system that made them money while allowing advancement; isn't that the goal of a game developer?
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    WB Gamer
    While I can't speak for WBI/Turbine in this, looking at the stats for K106 I would speculate that more people were advancing faster than they wanted. My hunch is that people spent more than they anticipated and they felt the need.to slow things down.
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    WB Gamer
    I would like a response about what is going on here. Are you taking away the only source of advanced materials or not?
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    Why is it so hard to provide an update on whether or not a change that will fundamentally alter gameplay is going to occur or not?
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    The merge has happened and still no response to a post I made weeks ago! What is the deal here?
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    WB Gamer
    Hi TWK,

    At the moment there isn't any information about the team changing or adding more ways to collect advanced materials. I have passed on the feedback of this page to the team so they can see what players want in terms of advanced materials.

    Thanks for posting.
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